Tue 14 Nov 2006
I love my friends. I think I have hand-picked a wonderful group of people who have proven their quality and worth to me, and their existence in my life enriches my own existence. They subsidize me when I have shortcomings, they set me straight when I’m off-balance, they give me emotional, intellectual and psychological support. They’re great company, and they’re a mixed company. Which leads me to some thoughts bouncing in the back of my head.
Teenagers and young people today have platonic friends of both genders. There are things one gender gives you that the other gender doesn’t, and sometimes the best minds and compatibility happens to be in a person of the opposite gender. And it’s totally acceptable these days. Looking one generation up, however, I see that my parents have “their” friends they hang out with in a married group, and of course that’s co-ed. But my mother does not have men that are exclusively “her” friends and not my dad’s, and my dad doesn’t just go out and do lunch with some chick he says is his friend. In fact, if I were to come home one day (we good little Asian kids still refer to the parents’ house as “home” whether we live there or not) and my dad’s home alone, telling me that she’s out having dinner with Mr. So-and-so, I’d be extremely uncomfortable. I’d have awful pictures in my head of my mom at some white table-cloth date with some sleezy man determined to undermine my father’s place in my mother’s life. I’d want to drive out there and glare at them. And I’d hate the man, no matter who he is. But first and foremost, I’d shake my dad until his glasses fell off for letting his wife go out to dinner with another man. Luckily, this has never happened. The few times my parents weren’t together due to a social reason, it was because my mom was out with her coworkers (all female) for their monthly gaggle, or my dad was out fishing with his fishing buddies (all family friends).
Now I turn to myself. I’m 30. That’s a grown-up! Sure, I’ve never been married and I have no kids, so I still categorize myself as a single person with single person habits and lifestyle and friends. I can be a little irresponsible and go out late, and have tons of friends. But is this supposed to be given up if I enter the next stage of life? If I got married, would it be no longer appropriate to accept Dwaine’s spontaneous invitations to go wine-shopping with him, or to go on an impromptu run after jujitsu with other dojo-mates, or to grab a drink or bite with James after we wash our cars and work out at the gym?
Or is the difference that my parents have entered this country as an established married couple, so all friends they have, they met together, whereas I grew up here so I had plentiful time to establish long-term bonds and friendships as an individual?
Running these self-induced guilty thoughts by Mr. W, he waves the whole thing off simply with, “Well, I trust you and your judgments. If you had inappropriate feelings about these ‘friends’ that’d be a different story.” I think one saving grace about my male buddies is that they have always only been just that — buddies. I am not in regular contact with men I’ve had a dating or non-platonic relationship with. I think that’s unnecessary stress on the relationship to have my significant other think, “She found him attractive before, and they gave in to temptation before, how do I know it won’t happen again?” But I am on civil enough terms with my 5-year relationship ex so that if we needed information or something, we can call the other and they’d help (Gary, for example, gave me the connections for my recent car purchase), and he’d called me for some legal guidance a few months ago, too. Although we don’t communicate on a regular basis and we don’t make plans to see each other, I think that it’s pretty cool how we are.
I really enjoyed this post. I have mixed feelings on the issue. It’s more of a double standard I suppose. I feel the exact same way about my parents. I’d croak if my mom or dad went to lunch with someone else of the opposite sex. I have guy friends and have NO thoughts of them in any way except FRIENDS. If Mr. Wonderful had female friends I would automatically assume something. I’m just insecure like that though. It’s something I need to work on.
My ex husband and I can communicate on a civil level. We could call each other at any time if we needed, but like you, I do not make it a habit of contacting him.
hehe, platonic male friends…i have a lot of those. and i used to always have a lot of semi-platonic ones, but i haven’t talked to them lately. hmmmm….how odd is that?
Flat Coke – haha, you touched on something I didn’t want to touch on, but I guess I will admit it since you did first. Yeah, the boyfriend has a beyond-civil relationship with someone he used to date, they’re neighbors, they’re in the same carpool for their kids, they used to socialize when both their kids were involved in the same school event. Before I had a clear(er) idea of the nature of their relationship, I was uncomfortable about it, too, altho I tried to talk myself down by reminding myself of all my male friends that he doesn’t have a problem with. But then, I’d never dated those male friends, either. I actually met this woman last week at the voting area, and had to watch them hug. She was nice enough to me, however. (Besides, he had to watch me and my 5-yr ex Gary hug when we ran into each other at my friends’ bday party, and Gary’s girlfriend had to bear thru that, too. Ha.)
I agree with you it’s a double standard, and some of it is insecurity and scars from past experiences, but what makes it okay really is trusting him, and telling myself that my discomfort isn’t rooted in any real threat. It also helps that he doesn’t call her up to chat and they don’t hang out, either, so it’s not that bad.
Diana – didn’t you just see a semi-non-platonic dude last week? 😉 Well, it’s different now cuz you’ve got a boyfriend who actually wants to commit to you, so other blurrily-categorized men would naturally fall to the wayside. At least in a perfect world, that’s what would happen.
Aww! Love you too man! You do have a great group of friends and that is a direct reflection on you. Thanks for being a great friend!!!
I encouraged Mr. Wonderful to email or call his ex wife and let her know we were moving to Nashville. Afterall she did still have a house key! She lives in Pennsylvania now so no threat. I’m sure a hug would be involved if they see each other again someday. But no regular contact. He tried to make me feel secure and I like that.
It’s definitely a double standard but I guess it’s all about self-control, and WE know we have self-control, but does ‘he’? So then it becomes an issue of trust. I know people who SWEAR that there are no platonic friendships, that ONE of the two have feelings that are most probably ‘secret’ feelings. I don’t agree.. maybe in some cases, yes.. but not all.
THAT’s a damn good point about self-control, Jordan. That, in retrospect, is a large part of it. It’s like, “I can handle this and not be tempted, but he won’t be able to stop himself in the same situation.” So in my relationship now, because I know he won’t do anything even if some chick were propositioning him (cuz I’ve already seen more than once how he handles this stuff), the trust for him grows and it’s not as big a deal. Other men who’ve blown this trust just makes it worse when they insist on keeping exes around.
what, i met up w a semi-platonic guy friend recently?? you must be refering to my friend who was here for a work a few weeks ago. i supposed he is one of those people that if timing had been right for both of us, maybe something could have happened. but timing has never been right for the last ten years.