Thu 28 Dec 2006
I tried to psychoanalyze myself last nite, which just led to more tears as I realized the only friend I have who majored in Psychology is Grace. Not that she did much with that, as she ended up in Finance, working for Merrill Lynch in New York, doing something related to stocks. Why had I never asked her what her job was? All I knew was that when the stock market reposed for the evening, she could, too.
I get that it’s unreasonable the extent to which linkages from Mr. W to his past relationships bother me. A hypothetical he raised yesterday, in his argument about how ridiculous I was, was “If I drink mojitos now because a past girlfriend had introduced me to it, and then I get you into mojitos, but you find out later that the interest came from an ex-girlfriend, are you gonna get mad and not drink mojitos anymore?” The honest gut response is, yeah, I wouldn’t drink mojitos anymore. If I liked them, I’d drink it with my friends, but I would not order one with Mr. W anymore. And every time I saw him drink one, I’d feel bitter. YES, I KNOW THAT’S STUPID. But even as I imagine myself in this scenario he made up, I feel the disgust in my chest for mojitos. (Thank goodness I had my first mojito with college roommie Diana from my bday last year. I would hate that mojitos be ruined for me.) Mr. W feels that he’s gypped of the connection to me because he has to hold back personal information on his background, and that he’s not free to be himself. I can understand that, I can sympathize with that, and I would love it if his past didn’t bother me, the way my past doesn’t bother him. But how do I get there???
Mr. W doesn’t feel any sympathy for what I go through on this TMI thing, because, he says, he doesn’t understand it. He doesn’t understand why I feel a gut resentment for anything positive he tells me about his experiences with exes. Why, if he told me that a particular restaurant had great carne asada and he used to go all the time with his ex, that I’d never want to set foot in that place with him. He doesn’t understand why any experience from his past, or the sharing of any such information, makes me uncomfortable at best, bitter more of the time. And because he questioned it, I did, too. For the first time.
A particular ex used to tell me all sorts of unnecessary crap. Now those were really TMI, overly detailed sex acts including the who, the where, the when, the how it felt. And I’d taken it as information, nothing personal. It didn’t get truly bothersome until, come to find out, all these exes he reminisced about, were still in his life. And then the resentment set in. It didn’t help that he liked to brag about how all his exes want him back and call him relentlessly to that end. (It also didn’t help that he cheated on me.) I guess the resentment with anything related to his exes is understandable in that situation, but that’s not my situation now, and I’m still resentful. Mr. W doesn’t give me any reason to doubt his trust, and I’ve seen how he handles other females’ advances — he nips them in the bud and tells them happily, politely, about something we did or are doing together — so it’s not a problem of feeling threatened by women from his past.
He says anything I did before him has an unrelated distance in his head. I suppose it probably feels like he’s hearing about somebody else, because his Cindy is the girl in front of him, who’s with him and only him. The Cindy who may have shlupped other men is somebody he doesn’t know, a whole separate entity. And that’s really cool, because honestly, I can tell him about what an amazing time I had doing a particular sex act with a particular person in a particular unusual location, and he’d be interested in the information as I was telling it for almost personal research reasons, and then he’d simply move on. For me, I want to burn out the part of my brain that holds that overly-detailed image of him with someone else. I did feel bad last nite that I couldn’t give him that freedom to disclose, which he gives me, because it truly is a wonderful thing. It feels great. But I can’t handle it (anymore?) and the only way I know how to not have these sickening mental images hanging over me is to not have knowledge of the images to begin with.
Added weird stuff? 1.) Let’s say that I’ve “banned,” to use Jordan’s word, certain events, locations, foods from the relationship. I’d still be okay to partake in the banned stuff with friends, or with a future relationship. 2.) In talking to other men I’ve dated after I got screwed in the relationship I’d described in the 4th paragraph of this post, I really was okay hearing TMI stuff. I even listened with interest, which surprised me at the time that I was totally emotionally unaffected by the information. Come to find out, it’s only okay before I fall in love.
I know this isn’t new or groundbreaking stuff. Lots of people (I think women, especially) can relate to my feelings surrounding TMI. I know it makes no intellectual logical sense to feel this in my situation. I agree with Mr. W on that. But emotions are not ruled by intellect. So how do I get there? Does it come with the mellowing out of aging?
The perspective: “You did this with someone I don’t like/your ex? Then I designate it as ‘you guys’s’ thing and I want no part of it.”
Forgivable application of the perspective: Details of how they used to love each other, have sex with each other, any ‘best time of my life’ information if it was with someone else.
Unreasonable application of the perspective: Not wanting any part of a city/ state/ country on vacation because he’d already taken the ex there; not wanting to experience any restaurant/event that was a favorite of a past relationship.
So far, I have the unreasonable applications, I admit that. I also admit it sucks, for Mr. W. But I can’t figure out the why. Why does it bother me so much to know these things, that I’d just rather not know?
I’m not a psychotherapist, but I don’t think you need one. All you have to do is not be in the situation or be able to step out of the box to conclude that YOU have these feelings with Mr. W simply because you love him. You or I could listen to someone else ALL day talk about the past skankiness of anyone else as long as we weren’t in love with them or engaging in serious relations.
I think in regards to a favorite restaurant, food, car, wine.. whatever, is totally different than telling you what the favorite sexual position or anything related. There is quite the difference. I used to have issue with knowing favorites of their exes, thus banning it from my relationship. I don’t do that anymore because in the big picture.. it really doesn’t matter. Think about something you were introduced to before Mr. W. Nothing sexual, but something pleasant.. something you liked, it doesn’t matter if it was a food, restaurant, singer, venue.. you would want to share that with him. You don’t sit and dream about the person that introduced you to this, but what you do want is to show Mr. W how awesome this thing is.. or how much you like this. If you ‘ban’ everything that an ex liked, you might as well roll yourself around in a cardboard box and do nothing all day. Just another way of thinking about it. I highly doubt that Mr. W is telling you or taking you to these things because he wants to reminisce (sp) about a past chick… he truly wants to share it with you.
You have to realize the older you get..the higher the odds/chances are that someone you meet HAS been around… HAS done a lot of things… HAS seen a lot of things. But no matter how many times you’ve done something or ate something in the past… it’s “new” with the new person. This is completely in regards to things and places… I do not, however, believe that he should tell you about ex sex.. or skanky rub downs… lesson here for the both of you. You: chill out on the little things.. he loves you. It’s all new with you no matter what. Him: Zip it about anything sexual related in the past. She’s sensitive over these things, so YOU need to be sensitive as well and just keep in mind that just because you may not mind hearing about these things doesn’t mean everyone else feels that way. I assure you, most people are NOT comfortable with it.
That’ll be $250 please.
$125 from each of you.
Want my address?
You pretty much said what he said, and I agreed with him as I agree with you: taking the sensitivity to commonplace things like restaurants is really unhealthy and pointless, and sure, in the long run, I’m probably just screwing myself out of a good time. But the problem is, HOW do I get myself to be okay with that kind of knowledge? Cuz my head agrees with you, but my emotions still crawl up my throat and gag me. Maybe it just takes practice.
I also agree with you that being queasy about sex details is NOT abnormal, but I was gonna try to be okay with it because he wants to share. Maybe I don’t need to be THAT okay with it.
I like your bottom line advice. And that thing you said about how old locations would still be “new” because they’re with me, I really like that. That struck a chord. I instantly felt better when I read that. Your $1000 is in the mail.
Maybe the root of the resentment is that I feel he’s trying to recreate with me something he wished he still had (with the ex), and that offends me. Everyone wants to feel special, right?
My 1st boyfriend knocked up the chick he dated after me and had to marry her, but named his kids the names that he and I discussed about naming OUR kids (the names I picked out and he agreed to). Actually, I said I wanted a boy and then a girl, the boy would be Nathan and the girl would be Crystal. (WHAT was I thinking?) She had a girl, so he insisted she be named Crystal. He was disappointed she didn’t have a boy. And then she had another girl, and he was pissed off, telling everyone he wanted a boy to name Nathan. I’d be so insulted if I were his wife. That’d be a slap in the face because it’s like he’s living out the fantasy he and I had, but just subbed in a different girl when I dumped him.
An ex is an ex for a reason.. he doesn’t want any of them back, otherwise he’d be pursuing it. He’s crazy about you and simply sharing things that he knows, which is ok. (just not the sex stuff). If there EVER is a time you’re comfortable hearing about past sexcapades.. then that is the time. Until then, they need to stay in his head.
…and I’d be so pissed as the wife of this guy that I’d probably re-name my kids. That’s a huge thing… these aren’t names HE thought of and actually named his children. These are names you thought of… what a slap.
I would TOTALLY rename the kids, too. They (mutual friends) tried to tell her, but she refused to believe it. Or maybe she did believe it, but to save face she pretended she didn’t believe it. But that’s what you get when you trick someone into marrying you by telling him, “You don’t have to use protection; it’s medically impossible for me to get pregnant.”
ok so they both deserve each other!!!
pretty much. it’s good they got together, really. that way they don’t ruin anyone else’s gene pools.
no funny stories about where i first drank a mojito – i can’t remember the relevant circumstances but it was a LONG time ago. as such, nothing bad could you imputed to you and you should keep drinking it (along with other variations of it, like a mango mojito).
“An ex is an ex for a reason.” BINGO!
Diana – that’s good; I don’t plan to quit mojitoing.
Bat – yeah, but there are people who can’t seem to keep their privates from bumping with exs’ privates. I can’t describe how much respect I have for people like you, Jordan, and Mr. W for adhering to that adage. Mr. W said recently that whatever ended the relationship w/an ex will likely end the 2nd try, so it’s not worth trying again.
apparently I haven’t learned WHY an ex is an ex yet… I mean I have, but I’ve recently been stupid about it
It’s all up to the individual, Jordan. Some girls have higher tolerance than others. Doesn’t mean you’re stupid. And sometimes, people stay in a dying relationship extra long. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid for doing that, either, maybe she just wants to make extra sure it’s over so she doesn’t make the mistake of coming back. Cuz the what-ifs can be a bitch.
Cindy…I offer no thoughts here except I hope you two can get past these issues and focus on your future together.
Flat Coke – Thanks. He’s more future-focused than I am. He usually just drags me through the current muck to arrive on future stuff. 🙂
u know wut? i wish it wasn’t you overanalyzing why u know u shouldn’t be feeling this way but rather mr. w who needs to know NOT to share TMI. i think it’s a kinda DUH thing, and if he knew better this wouldn’t be at issue. it’s called being discreet. sorry – didn’t mean to sound so harsh, but honestly trying to make u feel better 🙂 it’s totally him, not u. i speak from experience!!!
anonymous – hmm. that’s exactly where I was coming from initially, but somehow I got to “if he wants the kind of relationship with nondiscreet sharing, maybe I should give it to him.” I just don’t know how, or when I could, if ever.
hahah i guess that’s the other way to approach it. wishing u best of luck! 🙂