Tue 14 Aug 2007
The Ring Drama Dilemma
Posted by cindy under Mental States , Wedding Memories , Work Crap at 2:43 pm[19] Comments
“Wow, the ring comes with its own drama,” my gym trainee said last week.
“Figures,” I said, “The relationship is so peaceful that the RING has to have drama.”
Mr. W happened upon The Ring in a jewelry shop while we were on our cruise some weekends ago. Once he saw it, and saw the heart through the jeweler’s loupe, there was no turning back for him and no talking him out of the extravagant purchase. And to think that I was just trying to get to the other side of the store to look at on-sale tanzanite stuff! No, Mr. W had found The Ring. To explain the ensuing drama, I’m going to change the numbers to make them more simple and understandable.
The salesperson said that the ring would appraise for $16 bucks, but because we were purchasing out at sea, we were saving sales tax AND there was a discount on the ring, bringing it down to $9 bucks and some change. The ring has a full money-back warranty for the first year and she said that if it doesn’t appraise for over $16 bucks, or if we change our mind on the purchase, we can return it back to the designer/manufacturer. After some discussion, she said if we take it right then and there, her manager had agreed to discount it down to $8 and some change. Well, if we’re getting a $16 ring for $8, that’s half off, so that’s pretty decent, Mr. W thought, and plunged forth into the full commitment, pun intended. As purchased, the ring was 2.5 sizes too big, and the saleslady gave us the information to contact the designer/lab and informed us the resizing would be free, and we’d be reimbursed postage and mail insurance.
A few days later, we were informed that no mail courier service (UPS, FedEx, DHL, USPS)’s shipping insurance truly covers jewelry; that they’d insure your package, but the contract has every loophole in it for jewelry that virtually makes insuring jewelry through them pointless. So we were suggested to take out our own insurance policy on it before shipping the ring off for resize (the lab is in Miami, Florida).
At this point you’re probably wondering why I don’t just get it resized locally. It’s because local jewelers resize by cutting a length of gold off the bottom of the band, and bonding the remaining ring together, forming a smaller circle. With 64 stones sitting on 3 surfaces of this band, no local jeweler could offer a guarantee that the side stones won’t pop off once the circle is reduced by that many sizes. Plus, cutting the band would remove the designer seal and signature on the inside of the band. The original designer would make a new band in my size, remove the current stones, and re-set them into the new band.
Okay, so I called my homeowner’s insurance company. They said they’d insure the ring under my homeowner’s policy for an extra $320 a year, but that policy would only cover $10 of the ring. What about the other $6? They said I can take out a policy just for the ring itself, and that’d cost $500/year. Holy crap. But first, before they write any policy, they want the ring appraised and a formal appraiser’s report submitted to them.
So off I went to find a gem appraiser. I found a really good one who has 25 years of experience, has certifications and gemology degrees up the yin yang, and met with her over the weekend. The appraiser examined, weighed, took photos of the ring, and researched by calling the actual ring designer’s company for replacement value. The 9-page appraisal report came in late last nite. The value? Not over $16 buckaroos like the store claimed. But $10 smackers. Yup. Less than 2/3 of the claimed retail value.
So now I’m ticked. I feel swindled, not by Mr. W, but by the store. And I want to return the ring and get Mr. W his money back. If anyone knows me, they know I don’t pay full price for anything, because I do my research first and walk in with a great bargaining chip or work through reliable connections. Granted, I was not expecting to go ring-shopping or get a proposal, so I’d done no homework, and this isn’t even my money, but it just doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t mind paying $9 clams for a $16 item, nor paying $5 clams for a $10 item, but I don’t like paying $9 for a $10 item. What the hell is that?! Jewelry is marked up so much already that we shouldn’t be paying more than about half of the full retail value.
Last nite, after some brainstorming with an engaged friend, I was thinking that I’d go ring shopping, and see if anything out there really grabs hold of me. Chances are that it’d be a bigger stone or better value for $9 (cuz we’re not paying designer prices for a patented cut), OR it’d be a similar item for $5 or less. And if it happens that nothing out there compares to this one and I fall in love with the one I have, then I’ll insure it, ship it off to get resized. Mr. W is okay with this plan, and it may save/refund him a lot of money.
And then all day today, people kept talking about the ring. “Where’s this amazing ring that everybody’s been talking about, lemme see!” said a male security guard downstairs that I normally have zero rapport with. People everywhere, judges, reporters, attorneys, bailiffs, people I don’t even know, have heard about it and say it’s the talk of the courthouse. Mr. W is now touted as THE man with THE best taste in jewelry. And he really did fall in love with the ring, and came up with this whole metaphor comparing me and our relationship to it in his proposal.
So the dilemma is, is my Asian thrift gene more dominant, or will my sentimentalist gene win over? Argh.
(For more examples of the Asian thrift gene, see here and here.)
What do you guys think about this situation?
I remember Mr. W saying something about his gun not being available for shooting things with. I’d’ve made an exception if I thought you were looking up appraisers. An engagement ring should be appraised by the woman only after the divorce.
Do whatever you gotta to get the right size, then turn this into a funny story you tell when you’re 90.
The ring is a symbol. Take the damn price tag off it.
Adam! Did you read how I HAD to get an appraisal in order to insure the ring? And I was only going to insure it so that I could ship it for resize? If it fit right out the store none of this would’ve happened! I’m not appraising it to measure his love for me in financial terms. How could you have known me that long and not know THAT?! ALSO, Mr. W was doing this with me every single step. He was the one who brought up the shipping question to the lady at the DHL counter, he was the one who talked about insuring it ourselves and who told me to put it on my own homeowner’s insurance (he didn’t have any and I’d be paying insurance myself), it was he who was nervous about shipping it out w/o proper insurance, he was with me at the appraiser’s office. I didn’t take a piece of jewelry given to me as a gift and symbol, then run off behind his back to see what it’s REALLY worth, rubbing my hands!
You are a modern, soulful woman, always cognizant of life’s deeper meaning. I would never think of you as selfish. Never. I understand you’re caught in a bind and I apologize for the jokes and that in my irritation I threw out a cheap barb.
Much as you want to be helpful and selfless, presentation of this ring is man business. (I know it’s chauvinistic, but that’s what engagement rings are.) If Mr. W wants it sized he’s gotta do what it takes to get it sized, and no help from you. Just because requiring him to go to such a length would be a mark of selfishness in some people doesn’t mean it is in you.
I think that if Mr. W is okay with having paid that amount regardless of how it ended up being appraised, then you should send it off to be resized. He chose it especially for you, he loves that ring and he loves you! I’m sure it would irk me too if I felt someone had mislead either me or my guy in a situation like this, but in the end it’s a beautiful ring and the rest doesn’t matter as long as Mr. W wants for you to keep the ring and he doesn’t feel jipped (sp?). Let yourself enjoy it!
So finally the ring drama dilemma. Pay for it to be resized… the gems are not going to fall out of the side, but if they do, they’ll reset them. You’re going to wear this ring for the rest of your life Cindy Thrifter. Just don’t send it to some “p.o. box” overseas… I mean, you do want the ring back, right?
What about the option of getting a 2nd appraisal? Kinda like a 2nd doctor opinion??? I am wondering if another appraiser would go $16 or higher? Just a thought…
If Mr. W fell in love with YOU…then the RING…I’d just stick with what HE wanted YOU to have. The ring is a reflection upon him…what does he think?
Another idea!!! Why don’t you mail the ring to Jordan & have her DRIVE it to Miami???
Adam – Yeah, after our phone conversation, I get it. I accept your opinion that all things engagement-related is man’s territory and I shouldn’t be meddling with an age-old practice trying to “modernize” the situation. But I still disagree with your opinion about my involvement in the resizing/delivery/insurance.
PL – I’m starting to lean that way. Toward the symbolism of the existence of this particular ring in my life, I mean. As far as the mislead, Adam said yesterday in our phone conversation that this false representation of value is absolutely a qualified cause of action, and that if it happened to him, he would sue. Maybe I should call the company and talk to them about the huge difference between appraisal the guaranteed retail value.
Jordan – paying for it to be resized locally is a bad thing not because of the money involved in the resizing, but because it voids the warranty, decreases the value of the ring when you remove the signature stamp (it’s like taking “Tiffany & Co.” out of a Tiffany ring), involves cutting/destruction of the band which dramatically changes the settings of the side stones. I don’t want to be walking around one day, look down at the ring, and realize 3 stones are missing. There’s nothing the company can do then, because our tampering with their ring voids the warranty. I’m not shipping it overseas, I’d be shipping it to Miami to the original company that made the ring, and they would make a new band, same design, in my actual size, and reset these stones into that new band, and ship it back to me. It would still be THEIR ring. The fact that doing resizing service on their own ring is free is really beside the point.
Flat Coke – I thought about the 2nd opinion, and then thought, “Do I really want to pay another $150 for a 2nd appraisal, when the 1st appraisal will let my homeowner’s insurance cover it for less than the previously quoted cost?” And since all you guys have a point, that the ring’s value is more accurately “assessed” by the possessors (me and the W) and not by the resale public, especially since I won’t be reselling it anyway so the retail price is a moot point except where it pertains to obtaining insurance, then what benefits would getting a higher appraisal bring? We’ll just have to get over being gypped by the store. Altho I still want to talk to the Lakhi Group people about this huge difference, since my appraiser calculated a large chunk of her appraised value based on conversation with THEM. They basically told HER the value of the stone(s). re Jordan, I’d been joking here and there about making her hand-deliver the ring, but it still has to go thru shipping to GET to her. We may have to visit Miami ourselves to do our own hand-delivery.
Cruise lines have taken hits lately about their art sales, so they might be receptive to complaints about jewelry sales that happen onboard. (I’d drop it.)
Careful about that warranty. Does it require you to have the ring inspected and/or cleaned periodically?
What do you mean you’d drop it? You’d make the complaint, or you’d let it go?
As far as I know, there’s no requirement for regular inspection.
I’d let it go. Better let your lawyer (me) read your warranty, that’s my advice.
i’ll share with you a few ring stories, some told to me anecdotally, some from personal experience.
a long while ago, my dad and i went to buy a diamond ring for my mom. her original diamond ring broke, and the diamond was lost, so my dad decided to replace the ring with another.
while at the store, he had the difficult decision of balancing out the 4 C’s. i was just a little kid back then, and he opted to get a BIG ring instead of a flawless one. he figured that she’d just be wowed by size, that she wouldn’t notice the mineral deposit in the diamond. she WAS wowed by the size, but she did eventually see that there was a mineral deposit in the diamond. =P
i asked a friend of mine, if she had the choice between getting a diamond that was twice as big, but had impurities in it or if it was a smaller than average diamond, but was flawless, which would she prefer. she said that she would prefer the flawless diamond because after a certain point the diamond just gets too big. many years later when she got engaged, she ended up with a ginormous ring. she was conflicted because she has pretty small hands and the ring was pretty blinging. i asked her if she was going to exchange the ring for something more like what she had envisioned. she said she really struggled with it for a long time, but decided to keep the ring because it was this ring that her husband had thought long and hard about to get for her and as such, she couldn’t part company with it.
and then there’s my story. i told christi that she’s gonna get whatever i want to get for her and she’s gonna like it. and if she doesn’t like it, she’s gonna have to suck it up and grow to like it. =P
i also wanted to mention this article on dateline about what appraisal values, insurance, and what this really means to you.
Wilco – I enjoyed the anecdotes, thank you for sharing. I agree with the size thing (at a point it just gets too laughably big), and I don’t exactly have size 8 fingers. As for the size vs. quality thing, that’s a personal preference. A close friend has a pretty nice size stone, but there is a visible black deposit, and she knew about it and was fine with it because of the otherwise great price on the ring. I like to fall somewhere in the middle, so I get the best value of size vs. quality without sacrificing either.
As for YOUR story, I don’t know why you make yourself look like a lazy donut-eating jerk. You’re not a couch potato despite the enormous amounts of hours dedicated to TV-watching, you’re not THAT bad on food choices altho you enjoy the occasional (or more) sugar/fat/carb-heavy indulgences, and I know that you spent a YEAR listening for hints on Christi’s taste and jotting down notes anytime she said something about her jewelry preference, so that altho you’re buying it w/o her initial ok, you already know you’ve purchased something to her exact unconsciously-given specificiations.
Okay, so far…
Keep the Ring: 5
You Got Gypped, Return It: 0
Wilco – just read the article you linked. It is my situation almost exactly. Thanks for the reference. I’m coming to terms now w/that the value written on the certificate that came with the ring is inflated (unethical, contrary to the ethical business standards bragged about and printed on the same certificate), but that Mr. W still paid less than the insurance appraisal, and I want the low appraisal to show my insurance anyway so I don’t have to pay an inflated premium. So I suppose it all works out. I guess retail value isn’t the end-all anyway, since I don’t expect to be reselling the ring. The initial shock of the difference in appraisals is wearing off. Slowly.
I am all for helping you out anyway I can… but I’m also all for you having to take a trip to Miami!!!
what did you decide?!?!? (or have you)? ha
Jordan – you first.
K – I’m fairly sure that I’m keeping the ring. I casually looked at some other rings the other day, or whenever I come across a jewelry display, and none of THOSE rings wow me. Plus, the more I look at other rings, the prettier mine appears.
I say go with what your heart wants. Have you seen those ring sizers that they put inside the circle of the ring? That way you don’t have to resize it or return it 🙂 I’ll look online for what I am talking about.
The metal sizers aren’t recommend for this ring cuz they’ll scratch the band, and the plastic sizers aren’t big enough to wrap around a band this wide. What IS working, tho, is cutting a strip of moleskin — an adhesive suede-like bandage — and sticking that to the inside of the ring. Mr. W got the trick from a coworker and despite my protests against the cheesiness of the concept and my absolute refusal to wear the adapted ring, he took several tries and now I’m wearing the ring.
i’m glad you are staying w/ the ring, you should stay w/ the one that makes you happy!