Tue 20 Mar 2007
My previous post, Barbershop Duet, touched on a chord with Bat because he saw my question to Mr. W asking whether he’d still be attracted to me if I shaved my head as one of those girlie “trap” questions. His girlfriend, Flat Coke & Flies, reveals in the comment section of that post that Bat refuses to answer questions that he perceives to be “trap” questions that lead to fights. Her perspective is that sometimes it’s just a hypothetical question. Here’s my take on questions like that.
Bat, I hear you, I understand what you’re saying, but see, here’s the difference. When I ask a question like that, it’s just a random quirky question in which the answer doesn’t matter. The question itself is a joke. The thought of me with a shaved head is stupid and ridiculous, and it (hopefully) wouldn’t happen. It’s like when I asked, “If I grew a third breast in the middle of my chest, would you see me as a freak or as a gifted woman?” (I don’t even remember Mr. W’s answer. He may not have answered, he was too busy fantasizing.) He knows it really doesn’t matter HOW he answers the question.
I don’t really ask what I call “girl questions,” which I define as a question in which there is one “right” answer and one “wrong” answer and the “wrong” answer would piss us off and create a fight even tho the question itself doesn’t matter to begin with, i.e. it has no consequence to the relationship. If there’s a possible answer to a question that would make me upset, I wouldn’t ask it. If I ask something, then I’ve already considered the possible answers and would be okay with any answer. For example, I’m not gonna ask “Does this dress make me look fat?” if I would be devastated if he said “Yes.” But if I need a real answer because I’m on the fence about a dress before I spend money on it, and he tells me “Yeah, it does make your ass look wide,” I WANT to know that so I would put the dress back.
So to summarize, questions that are not important to the relationship but have an acceptable and UNacceptable answer, I don’t ask. It’s asking for trouble, it’s like testing your man when your man has a 50% chance of failing the test. If I ask something, it’s because all of the answers are acceptable. (This is NOT the same as asking a question for which you hope for a “right” answer, that IS important to the relationship, such as “Do you think we can afford to have another child right now?” and “Will you marry me?”.)
I now need to qualify the girl questions. Girl questions are asked not because girls want to pick a fight, because as much as it’s convenient for guys to assume we LIKE fighting, that’s simply not the case. Girls ask girl questions because they figure it’s such a “gimme” to the “right” answer that it’d make them feel good. They want to hear, “No, you’re not fat.” “Of course I love you.” “Of course you’re the hottest lay I’ve ever had in my life.” This is a big billboard that the girl needs more positive reinforcement in the relationship, i.e. they need something from YOU, the man, to make them feel good because they’re not feeling so great right now for whatever reason.
In the last relationship, I didn’t ask girl questions because I couldn’t bear the impact of a “wrong” answer, so I just avoided them altogether. In my current relationship, I don’t ask girl questions because I don’t question where Mr. W’s head is in this relationship, so I don’t need the reassurance that girl questions are designed to give.
I can tell, too, that Mr. W used to get girl questions from other people, cuz his old response was just like what Flat Coke says Bat’s response is. “I’m not going to answer a hypothetical that’s never going to happen. I refuse to participate in this question.” Now he answers cuz he knows it’s okay, I’m just being goofy, and it’s not going to lead to a fight. And that’s as much to his credit for making me feel secure, as it is to me for not habitually asking girl questions.
** Addendum: I just went back and read the previous post. I figured it went without saying, but then realized it doesn’t go without saying because not everyone who may come across my blog knows me. The conversation described was entirely playful. The post is written tongue-in-cheek. If you had been in the room with us, you would’ve heard the silliness in my tone, and heard us laugh in between his answers.
** Addendum #2: Here is a related post about picking your battles, and about “girl questions”‘ role in that.
I dont like trap questions either and my initial response is also to not answer since little good can come of it. And of course there are the trap questions that there might not be a good answer to :).
The tough part as a guy is plenty of girls say just like you do. “Oh tell me the truth, I can handle any answer.” But you tell them the wrong answer and you still get in trouble.
Better not to answer, unless you REALLLY know the girl or she’s being playful like you are.
Wait — are you saying that despite my claims that the answers have no consequence to me, there is STILL a “wrong” answer and a trap behind the question? 🙁 I don’t like asking girl questions cuz that’s just like handing a monkey a knife and trusting him not to cut me with it!
Only you would know the answer to that. I was talking about girls in general here in my past experience. I’ve heard it often enough where they say “I want to know what you really think!” and they don’t mean it.
I believe you when you say you won’t ask a question that has an answer that could really hurt you. And usually when you ask something like that it is joking or light hearted in which case its fine 🙂
I sought the answer with Mr. W earlier. He laughed and agreed that my silly questions are just that — silly questions. UNLESS…he responded to THAT question as though it were a girl question so he merely answered with what he THOUGHT I wanted to hear to avoid a fight!! Hmmm…
See this is why it’s easier to make a habit of not answering the questions ever.
Because if you’ve answered in the past, and let’s say you are being truthful and you answer the “right” answer then everything is wonderful.
Next time if you refuse to answer the question the girl will accuse you that you chose the wrong answer because you won’t SAY the right answer.
It’s not just about avoiding a fight though. The difference between the answer could just be brightening someones day versus disappointing someone.
Personally, I love to be able to brighten someone elses day and I hate disappointing anyone. So I will jump at the chance to say something that could make someone really happy — but only if I actually believed it. And I don’t want to miss that opportunity because I can make someone feel great, at the same time I’m being truthful.
But it makes it dangerous for when you get another question later on — in which case there’s a precedent for answering it and then its not so easy to get out of answering if you never answered before.
At that point you better be ready for real answer :). Or maybe the cellphone will ring at a very opportune time haha.
What are you talking about? This is hard to follow without an example. You mean like, if I ask you, “Do you think I’m fat?” and you say no because you mean it, that would set you up for problems if I asked you 5 months later “Do you think I’m fat?” and this time I’ve gained 40 lbs and you actually DO think I’m fat, except you can’t say that so you stay quiet, and then I say, “Why aren’t you answering me? You answered before! Your silence must mean that you DO think I’m fat!” ? Like that?
Ok, so if I’m asked a girl question, (am I getting fat?), there is only one answer regardless of the truth? See, I think I would be setting myself up for a much more horrible disaster. I have a terrible memory and I am the worst liar. If I don’t tell the truth all of the time, without fail, my answer will come back to bite me in the ass. And not in a good way.
I think there are tactful ways to answer sensitive questions. I.e. “I think you’re beautiful, but if you feel you need or want to lose some weight to make yourself feel better, I’ll go to the gym with you or we can watch our food together and support each other. Just don’t lose TOO much weight.”
For “Do I look fat in this?”, let’s say she does, you can say, “There are certainly outfits that flatter your figure much better than this one.” Or, “Well, the fact that you’re NOT fat and this makes your thighs look big means that you shouldn’t wear it.” Or, “YOU don’t look fat in this outfit, but the outfit doesn’t look good in general.”
Bat doesn’t like that my mind can go in 10 different directions within seconds of each other. We can be talking about the weather, I can switch to a co-worker, then back to the weather.
I don’t ask those am I fat questions. I’ve got a mirror.
I just don’t want every question I ask to be thought of as stupid because to ME it’s not. If it’s important enough for me to ask it then I think it deserves an answer other than “I think you are crazy, why do you ask such silly questions.”
Cindy, yes exactly like that!
Whereas if I would have answered the first time with “I don’t answer these kinds of questions.” Then if you asked again and I responded with exactly the same then there would be no questions or problems.
So I guess the best thing for us all is for everyone, guys and girls, to stay in shape. Then you can always ask us “do I look fat?” And we can always respond, “No you look gorgeous!” then we are both happy :D.
Ok, after typing a long response and then getting screwed because I incorrectly typed the security code and having my response erased, I realized that experience is very close to my position. No matter what I do, I’m screwed. There is a certain calm one gets when one accepts total defeat. I am very close to a zen like state now.
I think, for anything to work, regardless of the question asked, just answer with the truth.
“do I look fat in this dress?”
“yes” orrrrrrr “actually yeah.. sorry”
something like that… but when starting the relationship (now that you know all these things and what they could or could not lead to, have a discussion in the beginning of a relationship stating that you are going to tell the truth no matter what .. and give examples. “Know that when you ask me ‘trap’ questions or ‘girlie’ questions.. or ANY question, I WILL answer with the truth as i see it, so with that said, be prepared.. and if you cry at the response, think long and hard about asking the next question” haha oh, and “also, this works both ways”
somethin’ like that
Flat Coke – I’m the queen of multiple directions at the same time. So Bat should be glad he’s not dating me if he has a problem with that. But Bat’s refusal to answer those questions, or to think you’re crazy to ask those questions, could mean that in the past he has somehow learned that it’s not okay to answer those questions freely. Like, he didn’t feel like it was a discussion forum as much as a lead-in to a fight. I think if you make it okay to talk about things in a discussion forum, he’d be more willing to, well, discuss.
James – your idea is brilliant. I am SO totally gonna get in shape to avoid conflict now. So…how much weight do you think I should lose before I’m considered “in shape”, or “gorgeous”? 😉
Bat – that’s funny…I’ve entered wrong security codes before, and it just prompts me to re-enter it. I don’t lose the message. But then Jordan’s complained of that before, too. And dude, this is not about defeat, you’re not in a war (technically, we ALL are, but that’s Bush’s decision). You are not screwed. You are just exasperated over how to communicate with your girlfriend to the point where you want to give up communication altogether. Well, she hasn’t given up on you, that’s why she’s still trying to talk to you. I think you need a day of “no being offended allowed, no low-blows allowed, this is a constructive setting of the cards on the table discussion” discussion.
Or we can do it right here as we’re doing anyway in my comment section. I’ll mediate. =)
Jordan – I agree with you, but I want to add the caveat that there IS a tactful way of telling the truth aside from “Do you look fat? Do you look FAT?! What, you can’t see all of yourself in the mirror anymore to tell? Lemme back up so I can see all of you without having to turn my head, and then I’ll let you know. I’m just being honest!”
Didn’t I answer that question already for you? :D. Like I said before. I think you’re sexy and gorgeous already. Any weight you lose from here will be for your own personal goals!
Now that I’ve said that — if you decide to gain those 40lbs you mentioned just dont ask me this question then. “OMG I gotta go to the bathroom.. See ya!”
Well played, James! See, Bat, that wasn’t so hard!
See I am one of those girls that if I don’t get the answer I want I tell the guy, “no you were supposed to say (correct answer)” and have them repeat the answer I wanted to hear and then skip along happily and smile! I am such a goofy little bird!
Boy, you do all the work for them. It must be easy to be your boyfriend.
Yeah, I am starting to think that I give a little too much most of the time.
It’s okay to give “too much,” as long as it’s appreciated and reciprocated.
Lol, Vanessa I think you’re the first girl I’ve met that does that!!! You really are too nice!
And I also agree with Cindy. I love spoiling someone. But so long as it is appreciated and not taken for granted 🙂
I think in my romantic relationships (well, at least the last two) it is appreciated by no always reciprocated.
I’m well aware that I’m spoiled sick.
I want to be spoiled sick!
*giving Cindy envious eyes & lower lip turning out*
*Patting Mr. W on the back!*
Hey, I paid my DUES before I was in the position to be spoilt! But yes…
*patting Mr. W on the back*
I love spoiling girls 🙂 Unfortunately sometimes treating them too nice leads to getting taken advantage of.
When it shifts from “oh thats really sweet of you to do that” to “thats what you should be doing anyway” then it isn’t as fun anymore.
But assuming I find someone who is appreciative I have no problem spoiling them silly all the time :). I would actually enjoy it because i like to see other people happy.
Hey James, I’m blue. 🙁 What can you do to see me happy?
Awwee, why are you blue? I can come by and sing you a song? lol
Of course that might backfire and cause you to plug your ears.
But then you might laugh so you’d be happy. Mission Accomplished! 😀
ooOOOoooh! A song! But you’ll have to finish writing a song first, unless you wanna sing me the opening 1 minute of a whole bunch of unfinished songs.
I have 4 finished songs! And 1 more that is almost there.
And I’m almost finished with the other song I sent you but I just need to record it.
See James, you SHOULD have a blog so you can record your songs and share with all of us. See another GREAT reason to start one 🙂
AND to post his bday party pictures!!
You know I dont know if I really want to post my songs on the net :D. I don’t like my singing on them just quite yet so putting a recording out is kind of scary :).
But you’re all welcome to listen live to it anytime!
but… blooggg??? what’s that????
I can post the pictures on a picture site. Or maybe I’ll beg Cindy or Vanessa to post them for me!
I hate this damn laptop. I just typed out a response and with one little touch of the freaking mouse pad at the wrong time, it all went away.
anyway…
at ONE time, I may have been upset by the responses to my girl/chick questions, but not anymore. I KNOW that if I ask, I not only want the truth, I expect it. Don’t lie to me. I can do that very well on my own thank you. But, if I dare ask you, tell me the truth. I think girls really know if something makes them “look fat”… why ask someone else? Are they phishing for compliments or requesting true/false affirmations?
My rule: Don’t ask, if you really don’t want to know. (the truth). People are so sensitive.
If Cindy made something for me to eat, while I was in LA visiting…and it tasted awful, I would tell her “I’m just not into this.. sorry”. Because if I tell her “it’s great!”, she’ll make it again. And again. And again.
Wouldn’t you rather know? I don’t mean you have to be harsh with your responses… but at least truthful.
However, I have lied to the kids many times when they’ve done things and I told them that was GREAT! when they actually made a terrible mess or it turned out horrible. But they are still growing and maturing… we’re done. Haha